Curse

Keesa · Jun 20, 2005, 04:46 AM // 04:46

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Originally Posted by Winter King

Sometimes us War/Mo's have reasons for seemingly illogical behavior.

It seems like the biggest concentration of annoying players are in Warriors, Elementals, and Monks. Warriors and Ele's because of stupid playing, and some monks have a huge chip on their shoulder. Ranger's, Necro's, and Mesmer's don't seem to be as bad, but it's also rare that you see Nec's and Mes's in PVE and the ones you do generally seem to know their shit.

Honestly, I think it's because Ne and Me primaries have the "silent" jobs, where people don't recognize when they're not doing them, but the group "seems" to do so well when they are. Wars, Eles, and Monks all have jobs that are highly visible, and so they receive the lion's share of criticism (and praise, to be fair), when things go poorly (or well).

EmperorTippy · Jun 20, 2005, 05:05 AM // 05:05

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Originally Posted by Creston

I wish there was a voting system in this game. If a player gets 25 votes that say "*sshole" from other players, he gets banned to the *sshole district, where he can only play with the other retards. God, that would clean this game up right quick.

Creston

This is possible the best idea I have ever heard.

Now to the topic of the thread. Dont heal any people who do stupid stuff. If you fail the mission because they all die for being idiots the better off the community is because we dont have to deal with the idiots farther on. I also use the idiot who charged on his own and aggroed as a becon in game.

What you do is tell everyone elso to wait and once the charger dies you res him and all the dudes are concentrated on him. Then have the other people have fun with there AoE spells.

Zon2000 · Jun 20, 2005, 11:17 PM // 23:17

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Originally Posted by The Pope

Warriors keep adrenaline charged between fights if they go between them quickly. Thats the real reason they always charge. The good ones will slow down if you say you're low on energy and do a minimap ping, but don't expect them to take a big break after every fight when that means giving up a multi hit adren combo.

PS: I mainly play a monk.

This is so true. After playing a ranger, monk, necro, I started a warrior (actually R/W, but using mostly warrior skills). It's very easy to get sucked in after a battle with full adrenaline to rush into another battle so your adrenaline doesn't get "wasted". A rather unfortunate gameplay implementation of adrenaline, it seems. A good warrior will wait and let his adrenaline die - heck it's easy enough to work it up again.

I would recommend people play all the other classes at least to a good portion of the game. It opens your eyes to the many issues outside of your main character that you play normally.

Blood Kreation · Jun 19, 2006, 05:27 PM // 17:27

I understand where people are coming from I see it all the time in PVP which is usually the reason why under my necro char I always bring blood rit. for the over worked monks.

I mean you might as well make the job for monks as easy as possible especially when they usually make the difference between getting pwned to a flawless...

Viruzzz · Jun 19, 2006, 05:40 PM // 17:40

a monk should not look at red bars only.
kiting > everything
i've run a boon prot monk in alliance battles for some time. and i simply refuse to heal people who just stand in an aoe spell and fight. be it searing heat. fire-storm, meteor-shower.. i don't care.. if they want to take more damage. they can heal themselves god damnit

jummeth · Jun 19, 2006, 06:45 PM // 18:45

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Originally Posted by Blood Kreation

I understand where people are coming from I see it all the time in PVP which is usually the reason why under my necro char I always bring blood rit. for the over worked monks.

I mean you might as well make the job for monks as easy as possible especially when they usually make the difference between getting pwned to a flawless...

Where did you dig this up. Look : 06-21-**2005** 12:17 AM
-.- 2 days short of a year old

While you are there, lets tell you a few thing about BR....

BR will typically give 10 energy in total, while the monk must heal your sac, therefore that drops down to 5 energy. Don't bother taking it in PvP.

Its a waste of a slot in PvP

Aejorii · Jun 19, 2006, 06:49 PM // 18:49

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Originally Posted by jummeth

Its a waste of a slot in PvP

You are wrong.

Guardian Rohan · Jun 19, 2006, 06:55 PM // 18:55

that sad thing is...in chapter 3, they're gonna be adding 2 more melee "wana be wammo" characters. This is all non-stop monk hate from anet and the players of the game. They really need more support healing and protection in the game...the ritualist barly did anything in chapter 2

Vincaro · Jun 19, 2006, 06:58 PM // 18:58

As a player that plays every profession except Mesmer I can say the majority of the time when a group fails it is not because of the monks. In fact, more often than not it is a warrior that brings the groups downfall... reason for this, even the stupidest of players can do alright with a warrior whereas it takes some inteligence to play a monk so most inept players give up on monking.

And by the way, My rit does a ton as far as healing and protection, Most try to do damage and heal and that's their problem.

The Great Al · Jun 19, 2006, 07:06 PM // 19:06

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Originally Posted by Guardian Rohan

that sad thing is...in chapter 3, they're gonna be adding 2 more melee "wana be wammo" characters. This is all non-stop monk hate from anet and the players of the game. They really need more support healing and protection in the game...the ritualist barly did anything in chapter 2

I'm pretty sure that one of them is going to be a caster, or at least a long range fighter.

And healing ritualists can be pretty good

ChaoticCoyote · Jun 19, 2006, 08:01 PM // 20:01

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Originally Posted by Keesa

Honestly, I think it's because Ne and Me primaries have the "silent" jobs, where people don't recognize when they're not doing them, but the group "seems" to do so well when they are. Wars, Eles, and Monks all have jobs that are highly visible, and so they receive the lion's share of criticism (and praise, to be fair), when things go poorly (or well).

You're absolutely right.

My primary character is a Ranger, who usually operates as an interrupter in PuGs. Now, if I screw up (whoops, shoulda been hitting that enemy Elementalist over there!), no one knows but me. I've never once been blamed for the failure of a mission, even though I *have* made a few mistakes over the years.

We all make mistakes, but when Warriors and Monks foul up, it's very obvious.

My daughter plays a fine monk; she can be the only monk in an FoW PUG and keep the party alive if it uses its head. And she has to put up with the insults, the incessant pings from desperate groups, groups that run off without letting her recharge, and the vicious blame when stupid people die and blame her for not curing their idiocy.

She is burned out now, and is starting another character. Much as she loves being a monk, the stress is taking the fun out of the game. When people start wonderign why they can't find a monk, maybe they need to think about how they *treat* monks.

Kali Magdalene · Jun 19, 2006, 08:59 PM // 20:59

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Originally Posted by jummeth

Where did you dig this up. Look : 06-21-**2005** 12:17 AM
-.- 2 days short of a year old

While you are there, lets tell you a few thing about BR....

BR will typically give 10 energy in total, while the monk must heal your sac, therefore that drops down to 5 energy. Don't bother taking it in PvP.

Its a waste of a slot in PvP

Whenever I bring BiP and BR to a group (PVE only so far) I explain that I can also heal myself pretty easily...and monks still throw healing breeze or orison at me.

I do the same on my MM build when I use Blood of the Master. I still get healing spammed at me. Wacky.

Ecklipze · Jun 19, 2006, 09:33 PM // 21:33

In relation to the post above, having a played as one I do understand the difficulty in playing monk, but recently i've seen quite a few monks that overheal alot (i.e. spamming heal other or protective spirit on people @ 3/4 health), and then when the going gets really tough they run out of energy and then they begin to blame the team.

Maxiemonster · Jun 19, 2006, 09:36 PM // 21:36

Why would you be offended when a 'noob' calls you what he is? You said that the Warriors aggro'ing are the ones that start saying you suck at healing, and I've been in this situation very often too, though, I really don't care. If he's too sucky to aggro correctly, he doesn't know how to play, and doesn't know how good players play either, so he obviously is calling you sucky because he is himself.

Also, I've got the feeling most Monks expect compliments too soon too compared to other classes, but Monks really don't diserve them more then others. Most Monks expect that members of their team call them great healers, or thank them for their heals, though, that isn't really fair. If you're a Mesmer for example, you don't get any compliments for anything you do, so why would the Monk diserve them, and the Mesmer doesn't? You're both doing an important job. Of course compliments aren't a bad thing, but limiting compliments to one specific class is.

Y.T. · Jun 19, 2006, 09:51 PM // 21:51

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Originally Posted by Raralith

"no energy, you go in you die. brb drink"

brilliant

Ineffiable · Jun 19, 2006, 10:02 PM // 22:02

Lemme just state first off, My favorite character is a monk, but the problem I see more often than anyone else here is that when I'm focused on bringing a guy with 10% hp (lets say, an ele that got ambushed), back up to 75% or more, and an assassin with 50% hp, proceeds to run up to two jade knights and get murder and blame me.

It takes time to heal guys, not every heal spell recharges in one second, and has 1/4 casting time.

It's true that sometimes monk fall asleep at the wheel and become a little lazy, and that is our fault for pushing ourselves too hard.

Without monks, you warriors cannot bring your Zodiac Swords against the missions/random mobs/elite missions without dying.

(off-topic but, doesn't it seem strange that most of the pimp stuff that everyone spends there money on, are for warriors/rangers? I mean, I saw a perfect 10/10 Domination ZODIAC Staff, for 15k, and a perfect 15^50 Zodiac Sword will go for 100k+ecto, when a monk is your only character ((don't give me that try other classes speech, I had 4 other classes, deleated 3, made one a mule, I just simply didn't like them and decided in the last months of GW, I want to be a pure monk guy)), you don't exactly spend alot of money. Suppose, that might be a good thing if an uber-expensive monk item comes out)

jummeth · Jun 19, 2006, 10:17 PM // 22:17

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Originally Posted by Maxiemonster

Why would you be offended when a 'noob' calls you what he is? You said that the Warriors aggro'ing are the ones that start saying you suck at healing, and I've been in this situation very often too, though, I really don't care. If he's too sucky to aggro correctly, he doesn't know how to play, and doesn't know how good players play either, so he obviously is calling you sucky because he is himself.

Also, I've got the feeling most Monks expect compliments too soon too compared to other classes, but Monks really don't diserve them more then others. Most Monks expect that members of their team call them great healers, or thank them for their heals, though, that isn't really fair. If you're a Mesmer for example, you don't get any compliments for anything you do, so why would the Monk diserve them, and the Mesmer doesn't? You're both doing an important job. Of course compliments aren't a bad thing, but limiting compliments to one specific class is.

Its because people can't see mesmers draining and shattering and doing all sorts of unmentionables to your behind.

Which I guess is the reason why I can get my RA team to kill the mesmer.

@Aejorii: As a boon prot, each spell costs 7 energy. 1 casting for BR costs you 10en and 17%hp and gives me ~10-12en (about 1 energy per second OVER 10-12 seconds). That is good for 2 heals, one of which will be to you for your sac.

At what point do you think that its worth you taking your focus away from the battlefield and spending 10 energy on such an inefficient battery? That 10 energy is better spend fainthearting the damn thumper who has a strong need to hit my head with a big lump of metal.

Its useful in PvE only because you can speed up recharge of rest breaks by giving the monks some extra energy and in 2 man UW teams where the monk will have 0 natural regen, between battles. Even then, you tend to naturally regen lost hp or use another kill.

Mandolynn · Jun 19, 2006, 10:17 PM // 22:17

I know I am new to the forum and everything but whatever happened to playing a game just to have fun. My main character is a monk and I get the abuse all the time...but I give out 3 warning on the third if they still continue to swear and call names I leave.

The other day some moron kept making snide comments like "omg I can heal better than this monk" , "I am level 20 I 0wn you". I was in the group with a friend so I didnt want to leave him high and dry with that idiot but finally he ticked me off so much I said " Level 20 huh??? I am sure you didnt get there with that winning personality of yours".

I dont take abuse in rl I am not going to take it in a game I play so that I can take my mind off of things and have fun. Plain and simple if I dont like how you are talking to me and you keep doing it I leave.

Age · Jun 19, 2006, 10:21 PM // 22:21

Most of the ppl on these boards know all about this as well as other boards it is those who aren't on boards that don't know.I don't get just complimented I get asked if you would like to join our guild when I play my Monk not my Warrior.Ranger or Ele but my Monk.

KamikazeChicken · Jun 19, 2006, 10:21 PM // 22:21

I've taken 2 monks through Prophecies and Factions. It's a rare case (maybe twice in Factions because I don't take assassins who aren't guildies) that I get a Leeroy or Tanking Assassin who complains when I stop healing them.

Sometimes I think these "monk abuse" posts aren't because there's a real problem with abuse, but some people just aren't very good monks. o.O There's just too many of these types of threads to be normal.

(Note: this is directed at anyone who posted in this thread because I didn't read the thread.)